Published:  01:13 AM, 25 May 2019

An interview with A D Miller

An interview with A D Miller

Andrew Miller is a British journalist and author. He worked as a television producer before joining The Economist to write about British politics and culture. In 2006, he wrote The Earl of Petticoat Lane, a family memoir about "immigration, class, the Blitz, love, memory and the underwear industry." In the New Statesman, Linda Grant described the book as "the best-documented account of the class trajectory of British Jewry in the 20th century". Miller's novel Snowdrops, set in Russia, was nominated for the Man Booker Prize in 2011. Sophy Kohler speaks to A. D. Miller about his man booker shortlisted novel, Snowdrops.

Interview by Sophy Kohler

Did you ever think about writing a non-fiction account of your time in Russia?

There are a lot of journalists who write books about Moscow and Russia. I didn't really feel that I had anything to add. I'm not a great expert on Russia; I tried my best to be a good correspondent. The thing about Russia is there's a lot about it that is difficult to write about, factually and in general. This is true of all places, actually, but maybe particularly true in a place where there's such a gap between reality and surface, in the sense that it's a very opaque place in which even the most dramatic public events are often incredibly difficult to fathom.

One of the first articles I wrote in Moscow was about a guy discovering a corpse and the struggle to identify who this corpse. It's a difficult place to write about with any sense of certainty that you're getting it right and it's often difficult to prove things, so you end up writing about things euphemistically. In this book - which is, of course, a book about people and not about Putin or terrorists - I was trying to write about some aspects of life in Russia that are more difficult to write about in non-fiction.

Have you been criticized for writing about Russia as an outsider?

A bit, but I was a journalist there for a few years and I used to get it every week. When you wrap up an article, someone will write to you and say, "Who the hell are you?". I'm used to that. Some Russians have that view to which, I guess, there are a few responses. The foreigners in this book are just as culpable and as morally compromised as the Russians, so this isn't a question of one nationality being morally superior to another; in the end the book's about Nick more than it's about Russia.

It is a character study about this one ordinary-seeming individual and what happens to him and how he describes it - the book is told in his voice, not in the writer's voice; it's his grammar and cultural references, his illusions and opinions about Russia but also about women, which are offered to the reader for their judgment. He is the ultimate subject.

Is Nick in any way a version of yourself?

There's another novelist called Andrew Miller, a bit more established than me, so I decided to retreat into the initials "A. D.". He has a Facebook page (I also have a Facebook page) and somebody posted on it: "I really enjoyed your book, I do hope it all works out with your fiancé."

I hadn't expected the extent to which people - I guess, quite naturally - would assume that because outwardly Nick and I are quite similar that this is a kind of obfuscated autobiography. I spent time in Moscow, like Nick, [but] he's not me - none of this stuff happened to me. There is a lot of personal observation here, if not direct personal experience; I have seen people behaving this way.

Do you think it's the space that leads Nick to be involved in a scam or do you think it's something that he's capable of himself, that comes from within him?

Well, partly it's him and his background and his sort of drifting, lonely, disappointed, lecherous and other fairly ordinary feelings and partly it's Moscow and the incentives he encounters - the fact that it's a lawless place. But, at the same time, I think you could tell this story about all kinds of different places.

You could tell the same story about London, about people believing lies and lying to themselves because it's to their advantage, or it's too inconvenient not to. So, I don't think it's a Moscow-specific syndrome. Believing that we're not to blame for our actions, that somebody else is ultimately to blame, that kind of self-deception is quite common and present in all times and places.

Why do you think Nick needs to keep believing the fiction, or ignoring the truth, when he's clearly being lied to?

Blind-eye turning is quite a common thing. I think people often choose to believe lies, choose to believe in fiction, because it's convenient. In his case, it's because he's having too good a time and he doesn't want to disrupt it, because he persuades himself that, while something nasty might be happening, it's probably not that bad and, in any case, it's not ultimately his fault; he's just a lawyer, he doesn't bear ultimate responsibility for whatever might be going down. Professionally, it's also his job is to make problems go away; his job is not to embrace problems but to minimize them and, if possible, eradicate them.

One reviewer described it as staring at something so long that you stop noticing what you're seeing; do you think that's accurate?

I think it's accurate that that can happen. Whether that happens to Nick or not, I don't know. It's not so much that he stares at it, it's more that he averts his eyes; he knows it's there. It's definitely true that what he does is quite normal; he behaves in a morally-blind way and one very characteristic of the time in which the book is set - not just the place, but the time. I guess he gets used to the lie; he sort of lives with these lies and he becomes enmeshed in them and they become so familiar to him that he stops regarding them as wrong.

The phenomenon of snowdrops - bodies buried in the snow that rise to the surface when the snow thaws - it seems to be a kind of metaphor for other human behaviors, especially the workings of the unconscious; when you push things down they inevitably come back up.

Also that they're there the whole time, you just didn't notice them or you chose not to notice them. Actually, the real snowdrop in the book is Nick, the narrator. The thing that's uncovered at the end of the winter and at the end of the book is him. And what he is capable of doing, going along with, participating in, aspects of himself that he hadn't previously recognized, but which were always there.

It leaves you asking the question, "Is it him or is it Moscow?". Maybe it's a bit of both, but he obviously was able to be complicit in evil in a way that he may not previously have recognized. The main job of this metaphor in the book is precisely that, it's supposed to signify aspects of him that hadn't previously acknowledged and only really secondarily is it to do with violence, because there's not a lot of violence in the book. It's more a psychological metaphor than a criminal one.

Nick tells this story to his fiancé. What is the value of your choice of narration?

If you have a first person narration, it can be useful and enriching to have an implied interlocutor or listener for the story. My hope for it is that the story of the relationship between Nick and his fiancé echoes and reinforces the main Moscow narrative that he tells, because by the end of the book, there's a noted passive-aggression in the way he interacts with his fiancé. What first seemed like a well-intentioned effort to come clean, by the end seems more complicated than that.

This, therefore, contributes to the overall picture of moral decline in the story. Nick's confession is not really a confession. He knows he's done something wrong and he feels a bit guilty, but I don't know whether his guilt is adequate to the events he describes. And guilt, he himself says, is certainly not the principle feeling that his time in Moscow evokes in him. I imagined him enjoying reminiscing on this time as the most exhilarating, alive time of his life.

 Sophy Kohler is a literary contributor.
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